QB Battles: Why Kyle Orton Should Start in Denver, not Tim Tebow


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This is non-Titans article but it’s something that’s been bothering me. Most media outlets have been reporting the supposed quarterback battle in Denver and it normally starts with an attention grabbing headline that starts with something like “Tim Tebow may win starting job” or “Tim Tebow’s battle to become starter” and sometimes you get something like “Kyle Orton still capable starter, but Tim Tebow likely candidate”. You’ll notice that I sarcastically placed Tebow’s name in this title as well, but this post is neither pro or anti-Tebow. This is about Orton.

I don’t understand this. Kyle Orton was a sure-fire Pro Bowler until he was injured last season. It’s now like he is a runningback who tore his ACL, come on people. Think!

Orton is 6’4″ and 225 lbs and only 28 years old. What’s wrong with this?

New Head Coach John Fox, formerly of the Carolina Panthers, recently found himself the talk of the town in football news when he said he has “an idea who will start”. Yeah, me too. Kyle Orton will start, if he is on the team. Most outlets are predicting that Orton will be traded for the rumored second-round draft pick to a team that loses out on Eagles backup QB Kevin Kolb. Orton will be the better QB this year and possibly for years to come. So, I wouldn’t call it “losing out”.

The 2010 Season

In 2010, Orton was in the second year of Head Coach Josh McDaniels offense. He knew the system and he had a great WR in Brandon Marshall to throw to. Scratch that, Marshall was traded and Orton was left with scrubs from other teams and Eddie Royal. Royal has had early highs and recent lows while playing in the league. I wouldn’t consider him reliable at this stage but he does represent the possibility of a game-changer. Then, there’s Brandon Lloyd. Lloyd had topped 500 yards receiving in a season twice in his career and not since 2005. Lloyd was entering his 8th season and with Orton as his QB, Lloyd would go on to catch 77 balls for 1,448 yards receiving and 11 TD’s. That’s an 18.8 yards-per-catch average. Lloyd made the Pro Bowl.

In 2010, Orton threw for 3,653 yards, 20 touchdowns and a mere 9 interceptions. That’s great! Do you wanna know the crazy part? He only started 13 games. Orton topped 290 yards passing 8 times. His last game was against the Cardinals and he threw 0 touchdowns and 3 interceptions. It was terrible, but he also got knocked in the side and played with bruised ribs. If you’ve ever had bruised ribs, you would appreciate how hard that was to play football, much less at an NFL level.

In 3 games, Tebow showed promise. He proved that he can play capable. My problem with this whole media craze over Tebow is that Orton played great and is being automatically overlooked due to Tebow being more of a household name and people only thinking with the “what have you done for me lately?” mindset. Why not play Orton another year when he was so good last season? The only answer I know is for trade value. It’s high now and they might get good pick(s) due to that. However, if Orton is on the team, why start Tebow? Orton is still young.

What do yo think?

 

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  • [email protected]

    It’s cuz we’re denver fans. After Elway no-one cares about anything but a Super Bowl. We in Colorado understand that a chamionship in the next few years is probably never gonna happen but that’s ok as long as we’re grooming a team that can become capable of such things, specifically grooming a quarterback. Orton is pretty good; and I have to give him some credit cuz I attend his alma mater, but no one in Denver sees a stitch of resemblance between Orton and Elway. On the other hand Tebow is a guy that can run and isn’t afraid to take a hit. These are huge things to Denver fans; it’s a blue-collar town. I like Orton as much as the next guy but Denver fans want to have a quarterback of the future and dont care about sacrificing the present for a possible- even if it’s only a slight chance- championship caliber quarterback.

  • [email protected]

    It’s cuz we’re denver fans. After Elway no-one cares about anything but a Super Bowl. We in Colorado understand that a chamionship in the next few years is probably never gonna happen but that’s ok as long as we’re grooming a team that can become capable of such things, specifically grooming a quarterback. Orton is pretty good; and I have to give him some credit cuz I attend his alma mater, but no one in Denver sees a stitch of resemblance between Orton and Elway. On the other hand Tebow is a guy that can run and isn’t afraid to take a hit. These are huge things to Denver fans; it’s a blue-collar town. I like Orton as much as the next guy but Denver fans want to have a quarterback of the future and dont care about sacrificing the present for a possible- even if it’s only a slight chance- championship caliber quarterback.

  • edetzi

    I am assuming that most individuals reading this article are Titan fans so let me tell you why Orton should not be the starter. Last year he put up career numbers/pro bowl numbers; yet at crunch time he cost the Broncos at least 5 games (Jacksonville late fumble, SF late interception,Jets fumbled snap, Rams late interception, Colts late interception/fumble). Not to mention tons of red zone errors on both ends of the field putting our defense on the field too much under distress. The Broncos need to start young players, so play Tebow now so they can grow as a football team. You can tell the other players rally around Tebow with a certain enthusiam you don’t see this when Orton is on the field. I don’t think we will ever have another Elway; however one thing you always felt when Elway was on the field down by a touchdown or less we were going to win, I get the same feeling when Tebow is on the field. He may not win them all, but you just have this feeling the game ain’t over. Denver fans feel the game is over with Orton on the field.

  • edetzi

    I am assuming that most individuals reading this article are Titan fans so let me tell you why Orton should not be the starter. Last year he put up career numbers/pro bowl numbers; yet at crunch time he cost the Broncos at least 5 games (Jacksonville late fumble, SF late interception,Jets fumbled snap, Rams late interception, Colts late interception/fumble). Not to mention tons of red zone errors on both ends of the field putting our defense on the field too much under distress. The Broncos need to start young players, so play Tebow now so they can grow as a football team. You can tell the other players rally around Tebow with a certain enthusiam you don’t see this when Orton is on the field. I don’t think we will ever have another Elway; however one thing you always felt when Elway was on the field down by a touchdown or less we were going to win, I get the same feeling when Tebow is on the field. He may not win them all, but you just have this feeling the game ain’t over. Denver fans feel the game is over with Orton on the field.

  • americaneaglecorp

    Obviously you’re a writer not an athlete if you were you would understand that the only statistic that matters is wins/losses. Orton can do many things well except for winning. The last time I checked a team made it to the superbowl by their won/loss record. All the other stats are for writers like you to make a living, they have nothing to do with winning!!!

  • americaneaglecorp

    Obviously you’re a writer not an athlete if you were you would understand that the only statistic that matters is wins/losses. Orton can do many things well except for winning. The last time I checked a team made it to the superbowl by their won/loss record. All the other stats are for writers like you to make a living, they have nothing to do with winning!!!

  • willie beamen

    @edetzi

    Thats pretty incredible and really makes Broncos fans seem like idiots.

    Why were the broncos in those games considering they had NO RUNNING GAME and the leagues worst defense ? Its like Kobe,Melo,Wade playing out of there minds and thhen missing the shot at the buzzer and then some fans saying they suck even though they know they had little helped and carried them team by themselves that far .

    The Broncos with LLoyd,Gaffney,and Eddie Royal were the #7 passing attack in the league and this was after they lost Brandon Marshall .

    Orton had 13 tds and 0-picks in the redzone and was #2 in td passes over 30+ yards.

    Broncos guard Chris Kuper last week :

    “Kuper is old-school. He’s blocked for Orton the past two seasons and he doesn’t surrender loyalty easily.

    “I don’t know what’s going to happen there,” Kuper said. “There’s all kinds of rumors that we might trade Kyle, things like that. But we like Kyle. He played well last year and I think he’s proved he’s a starter in this league.”

    The players know who played well and who was hurting them . Its one thing to upgrade and its totally different situation to get rid of production and stability for a tryout because basically Denver fans think if they suck with tebow they will simply draft Luck .

    The are way to naive to see they are heading down the path of the Bills ,Browns and Lions

  • bob dukes

    @edetzi

    Thats pretty incredible and really makes Broncos fans seem like idiots.

    Why were the broncos in those games considering they had NO RUNNING GAME and the leagues worst defense ? Its like Kobe,Melo,Wade playing out of there minds and thhen missing the shot at the buzzer and then some fans saying they suck even though they know they had little helped and carried them team by themselves that far .

    The Broncos with LLoyd,Gaffney,and Eddie Royal were the #7 passing attack in the league and this was after they lost Brandon Marshall .

    Orton had 13 tds and 0-picks in the redzone and was #2 in td passes over 30+ yards.

    Broncos guard Chris Kuper last week :

    “Kuper is old-school. He’s blocked for Orton the past two seasons and he doesn’t surrender loyalty easily.

    “I don’t know what’s going to happen there,” Kuper said. “There’s all kinds of rumors that we might trade Kyle, things like that. But we like Kyle. He played well last year and I think he’s proved he’s a starter in this league.”

    The players know who played well and who was hurting them . Its one thing to upgrade and its totally different situation to get rid of production and stability for a tryout because basically Denver fans think if they suck with tebow they will simply draft Luck .

    The are way to naive to see they are heading down the path of the Bills ,Browns and Lions

  • ElijahMarcano

    it’s not ortons fault the broncos didn’t win games last year. he did all that a quarter back could do. if anything Orton was one of the Few bright spots for the broncos last year. it’s hard to win games when your Defense allows the most points in the league. Ever heard of the saying “Defense wins championships?” Well without a defense you can’t win games nor can you win a Superbowl. Another issue the broncos had was a lack of a running game in fact they didn’t have a running game. YOU GUYS ARE IGNORANT DUMB BIMBOS WHO THINK ONE PLAYER IS GOING TO CHANGE THE FRANCHISE. I’m not saying orton is the franchise quarterback but he’s sure as hell puts the broncos in a better chance to win then does little timmy. So why don’t you guys get your heads our of your azzes :D thanks

  • bctitansized

    you have no idea if I’m an athlete or not.

    I’ll first state that I don’t make any money off of this, so it’s not for my living that I’m writing.

    If you were to only look at a win/loss record, then you would ignore most of what is football. Football is a team victory made up of men winning their own individual battles and I brought the stats up to show that Orton mostly won his battles against the defense. He didn’t lose the games.

    You seem to have an agenda without logic. I’ll be happy to argue with you but please use something more than a team’s win loss record to prove whether or not one player was good.

  • bctitansized

    @[email protected]

    I think you’ve said how most people feel, i just disagree. Why do you think Orton isn’t afraid to take a hit?

  • ElijahMarcano

    it’s not ortons fault the broncos didn’t win games last year. he did all that a quarter back could do. if anything Orton was one of the Few bright spots for the broncos last year. it’s hard to win games when your Defense allows the most points in the league. Ever heard of the saying “Defense wins championships?” Well without a defense you can’t win games nor can you win a Superbowl. Another issue the broncos had was a lack of a running game in fact they didn’t have a running game. YOU GUYS ARE IGNORANT DUMB BIMBOS WHO THINK ONE PLAYER IS GOING TO CHANGE THE FRANCHISE. I’m not saying orton is the franchise quarterback but he’s sure as hell puts the broncos in a better chance to win then does little timmy. So why don’t you guys get your heads our of your azzes :D thanks

  • bctitansized

    you have no idea if I’m an athlete or not.

    I’ll first state that I don’t make any money off of this, so it’s not for my living that I’m writing.

    If you were to only look at a win/loss record, then you would ignore most of what is football. Football is a team victory made up of men winning their own individual battles and I brought the stats up to show that Orton mostly won his battles against the defense. He didn’t lose the games.

    You seem to have an agenda without logic. I’ll be happy to argue with you but please use something more than a team’s win loss record to prove whether or not one player was good.

  • bctitansized

    @[email protected]

    I think you’ve said how most people feel, i just disagree. Why do you think Orton isn’t afraid to take a hit?

  • americaneaglecorp

    @bctitansized. What good is winning the battle if you lose the war. Orton has a losing record as a QB for different teams. He is great at running up the stats but his stats didn’t put points on the board. When it came crunch time Orton crumpled. Many times I watched Orton lead the team inside the 10 and come away empty. That not only deflates the offense, it deflates the whole team. While it energizes the other team.

  • americaneaglecorp

    @bctitansized. What good is winning the battle if you lose the war. Orton has a losing record as a QB for different teams. He is great at running up the stats but his stats didn’t put points on the board. When it came crunch time Orton crumpled. Many times I watched Orton lead the team inside the 10 and come away empty. That not only deflates the offense, it deflates the whole team. While it energizes the other team.

  • willie beamen

    @americaneaglecorp @bctitansized

    Ortons career record as a starter is 32-29

    Since when did Kyle Orton become a QB that is great at running up stats ? LOL

    The Broncos under Orton the first 13 games finished 14th in redzone scoring percentage.

    Thats better than The Chargers ,Bears ,Seahawks,Pitt,Saints,Ravens,Eagles ,Jets . How many playoff teams is that ? Considering the Broncos lost Brandon,Marshall,Brandon Stokely,and TE Tony scheffler its 3 most experienced td makers and they had no running game how do you think that came about ?

    I already posted Orton had 13tds and 0 picks in the redzone. It seems you really like many other Tebowners like to exaggerate. You saw the broncos offense come away with no points one time and suddenly it as every game and it was all Ortons fault .

    One thing ive learned on the internet is when people make claims like that you simply compare the players numbers to the rest of his peers and look at all the facts . Thats why it is actually pretty amazing how low Broncos fans have fallen .

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/single-season-passing.htm

    You look at that list and where Orton is on it and then tell me what reason do Broncos fans have to rip Orton the way they have considering they had defense that was the 4th worst defense in the past 20 years .

  • bob dukes

    @americaneaglecorp @bctitansized

    Ortons career record as a starter is 32-29

    Since when did Kyle Orton become a QB that is great at running up stats ? LOL

    The Broncos under Orton the first 13 games finished 14th in redzone scoring percentage.

    Thats better than The Chargers ,Bears ,Seahawks,Pitt,Saints,Ravens,Eagles ,Jets . How many playoff teams is that ? Considering the Broncos lost Brandon,Marshall,Brandon Stokely,and TE Tony scheffler its 3 most experienced td makers and they had no running game how do you think that came about ?

    I already posted Orton had 13tds and 0 picks in the redzone. It seems you really like many other Tebowners like to exaggerate. You saw the broncos offense come away with no points one time and suddenly it as every game and it was all Ortons fault .

    One thing ive learned on the internet is when people make claims like that you simply compare the players numbers to the rest of his peers and look at all the facts . Thats why it is actually pretty amazing how low Broncos fans have fallen .

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/single-season-passing.htm

    You look at that list and where Orton is on it and then tell me what reason do Broncos fans have to rip Orton the way they have considering they had defense that was the 4th worst defense in the past 20 years .

  • bctitansized

    @willie beamen @americaneaglecorp

    sorry for the delay in replying guys, i’m having internet issues but I do appreciate you guys commenting on the articles

    The conversation is what I enjoy the most, so thanks.

    To answer the question about winning battles…..well you win as many as you can. If the quarterback can win his and the defense loses theirs, why have an issue with the quarterback. Everyone knows that the Broncos were terrible on the defensive side of the ball last season, but I personally agree with anything pro-Orton. Yes, despite not being a Bronco fan, I did watch Denver. I like to pick out storylines every year and watch teams due to that particular storyline.

    Orton was one of my favorite storylines last year and I feel that he was a top-8 quarterback pre-injury. His injury was not substantial enough to cause anyone to believe that he would not be good the next year….so i believe that he will be performing at a top-12 level at the least. That’s better than Tebow. It’s nothing against Tebow or even Quinn, it’s just that most guys with little experience cannot contend with someone as good as Orton.

    Please keep the conversation going, maybe one of us will win the debate. :)

  • bctitansized

    @willie beamen @americaneaglecorp

    sorry for the delay in replying guys, i’m having internet issues but I do appreciate you guys commenting on the articles

    The conversation is what I enjoy the most, so thanks.

    To answer the question about winning battles…..well you win as many as you can. If the quarterback can win his and the defense loses theirs, why have an issue with the quarterback. Everyone knows that the Broncos were terrible on the defensive side of the ball last season, but I personally agree with anything pro-Orton. Yes, despite not being a Bronco fan, I did watch Denver. I like to pick out storylines every year and watch teams due to that particular storyline.

    Orton was one of my favorite storylines last year and I feel that he was a top-8 quarterback pre-injury. His injury was not substantial enough to cause anyone to believe that he would not be good the next year….so i believe that he will be performing at a top-12 level at the least. That’s better than Tebow. It’s nothing against Tebow or even Quinn, it’s just that most guys with little experience cannot contend with someone as good as Orton.

    Please keep the conversation going, maybe one of us will win the debate. :)

  • Omnyra

    As a few have already pointed out, when the going got tough, Orton got soft. Orton crumbling in a tough situation became the norm. Fans always had hope, but there was always that feeling lurking over your shoulder that he was somehow gonna blow it…and he delivered regularly. Those watching stats didn’t watch games and see Orton fall down for a sacks- not get knocked down, fall down- or stand stationary as the pocket collapsed on him, or throw the ball at receivers’ ankles. You like stats? Look at Orton’s 3rd down conversion stats. After that 6-0, under-the-radar start two years ago, opponents fairly easily learned the Bronco protocol with Orton under center- short dumps under 15yds because wasn’t a deep-ball threat, and that freakin lateral pass to receivers at the line of scrimage or out of the backfield even. Receiver’s yards-after-catch padded a lot of Orton’s stats and many of those passes were to running backs behind the line. To beat Orton on 3rd down is simple- apply pressure and crowd that 15yds after scrimmage. Thank a pass-only offense under McDaniels for Orton’s stats. Tebow presents a running threat, he’s very mobile, strong as an ox, and despite what so many clueless people who regurgitate popular misinformation will say, he’s very accurate and throws very well on the run. Just that little bit of uncertainty everytime he touches the ball gives the Broncos that much more of an edge.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @edetzi
    One thing missing from those red zone score stats is the number of times the broncos were in the red zone and came up empty or settled for a field goal. I don’t have total stats last year, but against Indy alone- 5 trips=2 field goals and turned the ball over on downs 3 times. Orton threw for over 470 yds that game. Great stats, but but they lost. To Orton’s defense, there was some crappy play calling in a lot of those situations, but a mobile QB changes the play calling. When they finally started playing Tebow, he was almost a lock to score in those situations.

  • Omnyra

    @bctitansized @[email protected]
    Proof Orton is afraid to take a hit can be seen in the number of times he folded like a leaflet with hardly any contact.

  • Omnyra

    As a few have already pointed out, when the going got tough, Orton got soft. Orton crumbling in a tough situation became the norm. Fans always had hope, but there was always that feeling lurking over your shoulder that he was somehow gonna blow it…and he delivered regularly. Those watching stats didn’t watch games and see Orton fall down for a sacks- not get knocked down, fall down- or stand stationary as the pocket collapsed on him, or throw the ball at receivers’ ankles. You like stats? Look at Orton’s 3rd down conversion stats. After that 6-0, under-the-radar start two years ago, opponents fairly easily learned the Bronco protocol with Orton under center- short dumps under 15yds because wasn’t a deep-ball threat, and that freakin lateral pass to receivers at the line of scrimage or out of the backfield even. Receiver’s yards-after-catch padded a lot of Orton’s stats and many of those passes were to running backs behind the line. To beat Orton on 3rd down is simple- apply pressure and crowd that 15yds after scrimmage. Thank a pass-only offense under McDaniels for Orton’s stats. Tebow presents a running threat, he’s very mobile, strong as an ox, and despite what so many clueless people who regurgitate popular misinformation will say, he’s very accurate and throws very well on the run. Just that little bit of uncertainty everytime he touches the ball gives the Broncos that much more of an edge.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @edetzi
    One thing missing from those red zone score stats is the number of times the broncos were in the red zone and came up empty or settled for a field goal. I don’t have total stats last year, but against Indy alone- 5 trips=2 field goals and turned the ball over on downs 3 times. Orton threw for over 470 yds that game. Great stats, but but they lost. To Orton’s defense, there was some crappy play calling in a lot of those situations, but a mobile QB changes the play calling. When they finally started playing Tebow, he was almost a lock to score in those situations.

  • Omnyra

    @bctitansized @[email protected]
    Proof Orton is afraid to take a hit can be seen in the number of times he folded like a leaflet with hardly any contact.

  • willie beamen

    @Omnyra @edetzi@willie

    The Broncos were ranked in the redzone according to

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game

    They were 11th in redzone attempts

    They were 13th in redzone scoring

    The were 14th in scoring percentage

    You have taken one Indy game and tried to paint it as somehow being how the entire season went and thats not correct .Look at where they finished and that includes the Indy game so imagine if they had scored then the would be even higher.You also forgot that the rushing attack led by the beat Lawrence Maroney got stopped on the goal line .

    So now when you consider that with no running game and the worst starting field position in the league according to Footballoutsiders Orton led the Broncos to those rankings. imagine what he could do with a running game to keep defense honest and a short field once and a while .

    Those are not HOF type numbers but when you look at the entire situation those numbers are very good .

    They are better than the Jets,Bears ,Steelers, Ravens,Seahawks.

  • bctitansized

    @Omnyra I’m not claiming to have seen every game but he seemed tough enough to me. However, I’m not confusing him with anyone who can be considered at the top of the tough chain of QB’s.

    Manning crumbles too, just for more thought.

  • willie beamen

    @Omnyra @bctitansized

    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16580354

    Thats an entire article I found about how Orton was taking too many hits.

    This is the same guy who in the PRESEASON got into it with James Harrison because he tried to lay out his body to take him down on a interception return but somehow this guy is afraid of contact ?

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @Omnyra @edetzi

  • bctitansized

    @Omnyra Thanks for using reasoning with your comment. I agree that Orton is more of a West Coast Offense type naturally but he can throw downfield.

    On Tebow, I think he throws best on the run and at less than 17 yards or so. Every once in a while, Tebow can sling an absolute knock-out downfield, a thing of beauty…….every once in a while.

    I think the team takes the identity of the QB. So, in the case of Tebow, that would be great. Toughness, never giving up etc….

    WIth Orton, its still good. A belief in moving down the field quickly.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @edetzi
    thank you for helping me make my point. Orton is just average middle of the road. Not good enough for a mile high city that’s been looking for the replacement to elway for 10 years. Despite his inconvenient interceptions cutler was fun to watch. The way orton arrived didn’t help at all. But we would have taken jake plummer back over Mr. Safe who mcdaniels made look better than he really is. Let the teams on the bottom half of the league fight over him…orton is just an opening act not a headliner.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @bctitansized
    What you’re describing is a hissy fit.

  • bob dukes

    @Omnyra @edetzi@willie

    The Broncos were ranked in the redzone according to

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game

    They were 11th in redzone attempts

    They were 13th in redzone scoring

    The were 14th in scoring percentage

    You have taken one Indy game and tried to paint it as somehow being how the entire season went and thats not correct .Look at where they finished and that includes the Indy game so imagine if they had scored then the would be even higher.You also forgot that the rushing attack led by the beat Lawrence Maroney got stopped on the goal line .

    So now when you consider that with no running game and the worst starting field position in the league according to Footballoutsiders Orton led the Broncos to those rankings. imagine what he could do with a running game to keep defense honest and a short field once and a while .

    Those are not HOF type numbers but when you look at the entire situation those numbers are very good .

    They are better than the Jets,Bears ,Steelers, Ravens,Seahawks.

  • bctitansized

    @Omnyra I’m not claiming to have seen every game but he seemed tough enough to me. However, I’m not confusing him with anyone who can be considered at the top of the tough chain of QB’s.

    Manning crumbles too, just for more thought.

  • bob dukes

    @Omnyra @bctitansized

    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16580354

    Thats an entire article I found about how Orton was taking too many hits.

    This is the same guy who in the PRESEASON got into it with James Harrison because he tried to lay out his body to take him down on a interception return but somehow this guy is afraid of contact ?

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @Omnyra @edetzi

  • bctitansized

    @Omnyra Thanks for using reasoning with your comment. I agree that Orton is more of a West Coast Offense type naturally but he can throw downfield.

    On Tebow, I think he throws best on the run and at less than 17 yards or so. Every once in a while, Tebow can sling an absolute knock-out downfield, a thing of beauty…….every once in a while.

    I think the team takes the identity of the QB. So, in the case of Tebow, that would be great. Toughness, never giving up etc….

    WIth Orton, its still good. A belief in moving down the field quickly.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @edetzi
    thank you for helping me make my point. Orton is just average middle of the road. Not good enough for a mile high city that’s been looking for the replacement to elway for 10 years. Despite his inconvenient interceptions cutler was fun to watch. The way orton arrived didn’t help at all. But we would have taken jake plummer back over Mr. Safe who mcdaniels made look better than he really is. Let the teams on the bottom half of the league fight over him…orton is just an opening act not a headliner.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @bctitansized
    What you’re describing is a hissy fit.

  • willie beamen

    @Omnyra @edetzi@willie

    no my stats didnt help you make your point .

    You tried to say Orton was bad in the redzone but actually the Broncos were average in the redzone which is actually very good considering the circumtsances

    What team do you know of that has no running game or TE one of the worst defenses and the worst starting field position in the league and yet is top of the league in red zone scoring ?

    Look at the top of the charts I posted all those offenses are COMPLETE offenses the broncos were not a compete offense but a one dimensional offense who survived on the passing game led by Orton .

    How did McDaniel make Orton look better than he really is ? I guarantee you that last year you were one of those guys saying how Brandon Marshall made Orton look better than he was.

    What happened to Marshall when he git with Henne ? What did Lloyd do with Orton ?

    The majority of broncos fans are out of touch with the NFL. They still talk about Elway but cant even get that right . Ortons numbers were just as good as Elways best season but back then the Broncos fanbase hadnt convinced themselves that Elway didnt need any help . They ignore the fact that the SB years had great running games and defenses.

    As I said I dont think Orton is some top 5 QB but hes so much better than you are giving him for credit for . I find it weird how at one point when Orton was with the Bears the knock against the guy as that he didnt have the talent to put up any real numbers but was a good game manager who you would win games with .

    Now suddenly hes some type of fantasy league QB who you cant win with ?

  • bob dukes

    @Omnyra @edetzi@willie

    no my stats didnt help you make your point .

    You tried to say Orton was bad in the redzone but actually the Broncos were average in the redzone which is actually very good considering the circumtsances

    What team do you know of that has no running game or TE one of the worst defenses and the worst starting field position in the league and yet is top of the league in red zone scoring ?

    Look at the top of the charts I posted all those offenses are COMPLETE offenses the broncos were not a compete offense but a one dimensional offense who survived on the passing game led by Orton .

    How did McDaniel make Orton look better than he really is ? I guarantee you that last year you were one of those guys saying how Brandon Marshall made Orton look better than he was.

    What happened to Marshall when he git with Henne ? What did Lloyd do with Orton ?

    The majority of broncos fans are out of touch with the NFL. They still talk about Elway but cant even get that right . Ortons numbers were just as good as Elways best season but back then the Broncos fanbase hadnt convinced themselves that Elway didnt need any help . They ignore the fact that the SB years had great running games and defenses.

    As I said I dont think Orton is some top 5 QB but hes so much better than you are giving him for credit for . I find it weird how at one point when Orton was with the Bears the knock against the guy as that he didnt have the talent to put up any real numbers but was a good game manager who you would win games with .

    Now suddenly hes some type of fantasy league QB who you cant win with ?

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @edetzi
    Mcdaniels made many quarterbacks look better…pardon me…made them better…see any any QB hes spent significant time with. The redzone scoring was average because the qb was. I don’t know where youre from, but you must have grown up on a less than average football diet if average deserves accolades. A better QB in all those scoring opportunities and 3rd downs would have produced more. And when a defense spends as much time on the field as the broncs did because the offense couldn’t convert once orton was figured out, they’re gonna tire out and they’re gonna get beaten to a pulp. Many games, they kept us in it for awhile while third down conversions were nowhere to be seen thanks in great part to orton…then they wore down and got blown out. Marshall WAS a Phenom…see the game where he broke the NFL record…orton threw to almost nobody but him, defense knew who was getting the ball and he still got open, even in double coverage. Marshall was gets the credit, and when he’s that good, he gets the ball. Orton just tossed the ball up and let marshall go after it. You think orton made Lloyd look good? Everyone knows ortons range and they still found ways to get open. You got a lot of nerve assuming you know what’s in the minds of all bronco fans. I’m just one guy…but I saw all the games and made my judgment of the qb, not read the stats. Theres a reason 80% of bronco fans want Tebow …we’ve seen orton play…and we know he’s not the one. Running game or not, he doesn’t have the heart or guts to get it done.

  • Omnyra

    @willie beamen @edetzi
    Mcdaniels made many quarterbacks look better…pardon me…made them better…see any any QB hes spent significant time with. The redzone scoring was average because the qb was. I don’t know where youre from, but you must have grown up on a less than average football diet if average deserves accolades. A better QB in all those scoring opportunities and 3rd downs would have produced more. And when a defense spends as much time on the field as the broncs did because the offense couldn’t convert once orton was figured out, they’re gonna tire out and they’re gonna get beaten to a pulp. Many games, they kept us in it for awhile while third down conversions were nowhere to be seen thanks in great part to orton…then they wore down and got blown out. Marshall WAS a Phenom…see the game where he broke the NFL record…orton threw to almost nobody but him, defense knew who was getting the ball and he still got open, even in double coverage. Marshall was gets the credit, and when he’s that good, he gets the ball. Orton just tossed the ball up and let marshall go after it. You think orton made Lloyd look good? Everyone knows ortons range and they still found ways to get open. You got a lot of nerve assuming you know what’s in the minds of all bronco fans. I’m just one guy…but I saw all the games and made my judgment of the qb, not read the stats. Theres a reason 80% of bronco fans want Tebow …we’ve seen orton play…and we know he’s not the one. Running game or not, he doesn’t have the heart or guts to get it done.

  • americaneaglecorp

    As I read the post I find alot of people feel as I do that being a winner is intangible trait few people are blessed with. Some people can sing, some can run fast others like Tebow, Jordan , Bryant win. Accept it for what it is

  • americaneaglecorp

    As I read the post I find alot of people feel as I do that being a winner is intangible trait few people are blessed with. Some people can sing, some can run fast others like Tebow, Jordan , Bryant win. Accept it for what it is

  • americaneaglecorp

    @bctitansized @Omnyra

  • americaneaglecorp

    A snap shot view of my problem with Orton can be found in his play against jags. Second down Orton scrambles he slides 2-3 yds short of 1st down no one close to hitting him they handtouched him down broncos fail to convert on 3rd and 4th down. This happened several times during game. His leadership bar had been set for the season. Don’t give me the early season excuse. If it was reg season it was important. Tebow would have set the tone for the season just as he did anytime he played

  • americaneaglecorp

    @bctitansized @Omnyra

  • americaneaglecorp

    A snap shot view of my problem with Orton can be found in his play against jags. Second down Orton scrambles he slides 2-3 yds short of 1st down no one close to hitting him they handtouched him down broncos fail to convert on 3rd and 4th down. This happened several times during game. His leadership bar had been set for the season. Don’t give me the early season excuse. If it was reg season it was important. Tebow would have set the tone for the season just as he did anytime he played